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- Garth has been in every season since the character was introduced
- the Antichrist’s powers didn’t manifest until Lucifer was let out of the cage, it’s logical to assume that they went away when Lucifer did
- the teenage hunters episode was near the end of season 8. it’s a little early to say they’ve been forgotten
- the colt needs special bullets that Bobby had to make by hand. They’ve acquired so many powerful weapons since then (Ruby’s knife, the angel blades) that it makes more sense to stop wasting time making Colt bullets
- the rings are only good for opening the pit or gaining the power of that horsemen. putting on the ring of war, famine, or pestilence sounds like an epicly bad idea
- Christo will make a demon’s eyes go black but doesn’t hurt them, holy water is always a better choice. In Phantom Traveler 1.04 when Sam said Cristo the demon ran and locked himself in the cockpit. If they’d been able to use holy water he would have been incapacitated long enough for Dean and Sam to grab him
- John’s journal has been used in every single season, usually more than once(x)
- it was confirmed in interviews that the handprint went away when Cas healed Dean at the end of Swan Song 5.22
- Crowley knew that Sam went through Purgatory to rescue Bobby. Do you really think Crowley left that door open?
- other monsters pop up all the time but angel and demon story-lines are fan favorites so they’re the main focus
- the werewolf chick Kate’s story is complete. At the end of the episode Sam and Dean agreed not to go after her since she’d sworn not to kill humans
after 9 seasons it’s hard to keep track of everything that’s happened and sometimes we think there’s a plot hole where there isn’t one. John’s Journal is a great example because it’s one of the most used props on the show and yet it made a fan list of things the show has forgotten
The torn out pages of the journal? I have heard rumors about them.
As far as I know, there’s no official confirmation on what happened to those pages but I think that John, being the paranoid soldier he was, probably destroyed them. He didn’t want to risk his enemies, or Sam and Dean, finding out about Adam
you can see in the shot of the journal that the tear is messy, the first few letters of each line are still on the page stumps. if he planned to keep them for later use he would have been more careful to tear them out cleanly. This indicates he tore them out with the intention of destroying them. I’m betting he burned them
but what about the Samulet, there was really no need for Dean to throw it away just because it was useless to Cas. it still had meaning to Sam and Dean
Kripke has said that Dean threw it out because his relationship with Sam was still strained and after finding out that God had abandoned them he was angry enough to not want it anymore. Kripke also said he had the episode end with Sam alone in the motel room in case they wanted to use the Samulet in a future story-line. It’d be reasonable to say that Sam took it out of the trash and kept it hidden.
So the Samulet isn’t a plot hole but they do have the option of bringing it back
BUT WHAT ABOUT ADAM
Cas tried to get Sam out of the pit and only made it back with part of him, so we know that it’d be impossible for anyone other than Death himself to rescue Adam, and Death is staying out of it. The only other known way to get Adam out is to open the pit which would also let Michael and Lucifer out. As much as I want Adam back I do understand why the Winchesters haven’t rescued him, keeping the pit closed is the best choice in a bad situation.
In a pre-season nine interview the producers said they had no immediate plans for Adam but he is brought up at planning meetings. They also said that he’s the most asked about character by fans, and this show does listen to what the fans want. So it’s possible he’ll come back someday but it hasn’t fit the story-line yet
I generally feel that parts of this fandom like to claim the writers have forgotten about a thing when it hasn’t shown up in a while and completely ignore the possibilty that maybe there simply hasn’t been a good way to bring it back yet. Writing is hard.
And speaking of Chuck, I’m pretty sure his story also counts as complete. His fate has been addressed on the show.
I also see Chuck as complete but I know that the fandom wants confirmation on if he was God or a prophet (I think he was a prophet who later became the vessel of God). The producers have basically said they’re never going to answer that.
You mentioned that sometimes plot points take a while to conclude and that makes me think of Meg. She was exorcised at the end of season 1 and Bobby very clearly said that it wouldn’t kill her or even trap her in hell, just that it takes a while for them to claw their way back up to earth. We didn’t hear any more about her until season 5. We had three full seasons where it seemed like the character had been abandoned and then, bam, she came back and became one of the most important characters in the series. If they had forced her into the story-line sooner it would have felt awkward and fans wouldn’t have grown to love her like they did
for adam though, I don’t think it’s the fact that he’s still in hell, or that Sam and Dean never tried to get him out - it’s the fact that he just hasn’t been mentioned by Sam or Dean since the last time he appeared. They just never ever say his name or think about him, which seems unrealistic.
Let it Bleed 6.21 Dean has Lisa and Ben’s memories wiped and when Sam tries to discuss it with him he says “If you ever mention Lisa and Ben to me again, I will break your nose.” When Dean is powerless to fix something he chooses to not talk about it. Sam knows this and he doesn’t push. Sam will talk about these things every once in a while but for the most part he also keeps quiet. It’s a coping mechanism. If they spend too long thinking about all the people they couldn’t save it will drive them crazy.
I find it realistic that they never talk about Adam but I’m sure they think about him just like they think about all the people they’ve lost. But they can’t dwell on it or those thoughts will drown them
Ok, but the handprint story came out after they admitted that the writers have forgotten that Dean had it. Besides I still like the opinion that it’s not canon until stated IN the story.
And while we do have stronger weapons that the Colt, I think having a powerful ranged weapon would only do them good, especially since they do have off-time in the Bunker and I refuse to believe that MoL had angel feathers stashed and yet no information on Colt and how to make bullets for it.
(and I wonder if Colt would be able to kill Cain of if he is one of those few creatures immune to it)
yes the handprint story came out later because the producers screwed up (not the writers, they’re not in charge of those details). These things happen. Watch the Lord of the Rings, sometimes Legalos has blue eyes and sometimes they’re brown. That’s because Orlando Bloom kept forgetting to put in his contacts and the director/producers/crew didn’t catch it. Even in big budget movies these things happen. Supernatural is low budget. They’re still giving us 22-23 episodes every year even though most shows have gone down to only doing 12. They have to fit twice as much work into the same amount of time and sometimes there are mistakes. No one likes it, the people involved in the show hate when it happens, but these things are going to happen sometimes
I’m sure the boys know how to make Colt bullets, Bobby would have shown them, that’s not the issue. The Colt was made in 1835, it’s not ranged like a modern gun and wouldn’t work the way western movies have led us to believe. Guns made back then were very inaccurate. You had to be standing within a few feet of your target to be confident you’d hit it, the further away you are the more likely the bullet will fly wild. Rewatch the Colt episodes, they’re always really close to the thing they shoot with it. The furthest they’ve tried it was the duel Dean had in Frontierland 6.18 and they were still close enough that if the bullet hadn’t worked the phoenix could have easily run to Dean and killed him. Something they didn’t show in that episode but that you’ve probably seen in other movies, when they had duels back then the aggrieved party got to determine how many paces they’d take before shooting. That was because of how inaccurate the guns were. If it was a serious matter they’d set a low number of paces so they’d have a good chance of hitting their target. If it wasn’t very serious and the guy was just trying to save face he’d pick a higher number because that would guarantee that the bullets would fly wild and both men would survive. Since they have to fire the Colt at close range it makes more sense to use a knife because they don’t have to waste time making more bullets and even at close range there’s always a risk the bullet will miss, knives are more accurate
Since knives are a better option at close range the only time it would make sense to use the Colt is on a big boss but there are problems with that too. The Colt didn’t kill Lucifer and they were told that there are a few things it wont work on, but they weren’t told which things. Let’s imagine they tried to use the Colt to kill Dick. They’d have to be standing a few feet away which means if the gun didn’t work he could grab them and eat them. The Colt isn’t a “no risk, try it and see” weapon, it’s a “if we try this and it doesn’t work the monster is close enough to kill us” weapon. You don’t go into a boss fight with a weapon you aren’t sure will kill it. You find the ultimate weapon that is guaranteed to kill it before taking on that boss
As for Cain:
Cain: You find the blade, kill Abaddon, but make me a promise first. When I call you — and I will call — you come find me and use the Blade on me.
-First Born 9.11Cain has already told Dean how he can be killed. When Cain first tried to kill himself with the blade it didn’t work because the mark protected him but he no longer has the mark, he’s a regular Knight of Hell now. Maybe the Colt could kill him maybe it can’t, they don’t know, but they do know the blade will work. Cain has been a nice guy but he’s still a demon and demons are unpredictable. If they try the Colt and it doesn’t work they’re standing a few feet away from a pissed off Knight of Hell. Cain also asked Dean to specifically kill him with the blade, it’s probably symbolic to him, he wants to die on the blade he used to kill his brother
Okay and also with Adam, Castiel molotoved Michael when he was in Adam’s body, meaning that Adam most likely died when he was caught on fire and Michael was just keeping Adam’s body alive, therefore Adam is probably in heaven right now and Michael is in the cage with Lucifer in Adam’s body.
Jimmy went to heaven because his body was ripped apart on a sub-atomic level which resulted in the death of both Cas and Jimmy. That’s a key point that people forget when comparing Cas to Michael, Castiel died. Michael didn’t die from the holy fire, it’s a very different situation. Jimmy’s body was destroyed beyond repair, the only reason it got put back together was because God himself rebuilt it and shoved Cas inside. It was confirmed in Stairway to Heaven 9.22 that if an angel gets doused in holy fire the vessel isn’t destroyed and can be healed (Cas was going to heal Josiah but he refused to let him). Michael got hit with holy fire, he popped away, put out the fire, and healed the vessel. Since the vessel wasn’t fully destroyed the soul inside it never got out
There’s also the issue of consent. Angels don’t possess dead bodies because they need the consent of a human soul to enter that body. If Adam’s body had been completely destroyed Michael would have been shoved out of it too. After rebuilding the body he’d have to resurrect Adam to get consent to re-enter it, that’s why the angels resurrected Sam and Dean after they were killed in Dark Side of the Moon 5.16 and they had to resurrect Adam in Point of No Return 5.18 before Michael could use him. It was established in Rapture 4.20 and Road Trip 9.10 that if an angel leaves a vessel they have to get new consent to possess it again. Castiel is the only known angel to ever inhabit an empty vessel. Since God put that vessel back together and resurrected Cas it’s safe to assume that he bypassed the consent rule, Michael wouldn’t be able to do that
Death would know where every soul has gone and in Appointment in Samarra 6.11 he offered to retrieve either Adam or Sam from the pit. That’s canon confirmation of where Adam is. I love Adam, I hate the idea of him being in hell, but the current canon does not support the idea of him being in heaven. However I do think it’s likely that he’s not being tortured down there because that would demonize his soul. Michael knows that if the pit ever gets opened he’ll need a vessel and he couldn’t use Adam if his soul has been demonized. There’s a good chance Michael has been protecting him. In all of Sam’s flashbacks of hell it was only Lucifer torturing him, we don’t know what Michael has been doing all this time
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