Anonymous asked:
what do you think about jensen's quote about brokeback mountain? srry the ppl are sending you hate for your postts

bettsfic:

It’s okay, anon. I would always rather have the chance at calming angry words than ignoring silence.

It took me a bit to find, but this post declares the quote went as such:

At Asylum 3 a fan asked if he would do a cowboy film? 

Jensen: You know, I would say yes, but then Brokeback Mountain came out, and my desire to do a cowboy film completely tanked. (fan says something that I can’t understand) You know what, yeah, I’d love to do, I don’t know, westerns are kind of, they don’t have the greatest track record recently, it’s hard for a western film to do really well with today’s audience, it’s just not a well-received genre, but you could do other films, like Legends of the Fall was not quite a Western but was a great kind of old type, I’d do something like that.

Based on this quote alone, I can’t assume what he meant. Logical thinking dictates that correlation is not causation, so just because he made a negative statement about a film with a homosexual romance in it, I am not going to immediately assume that he made said statement because of the homosexual romance in it.

You know what happens when we assume.

Maybe he meant that he didn’t like the film. Maybe he thought it was boring. Maybe he thought it was so great and perfect that there is no way in hell he’d have any desire to top it.

But I’ll go ahead and throw in some speculation here because that’s what you’re asking for.

Jensen was against fanfiction for a long time because he feels possessive about Dean Winchester. Dean is his character, and he doesn’t seem to want other people’s distortions of it affecting his work. I think that’s totally fair. We see Dean Winchester as kind of a group construct, but to him, Dean is his character. Jensen is the one behind the wheel, and he doesn’t like the fans being backseat drivers.

I would venture to say that, using the same line of reasoning, Jensen has the same level of possession toward cowboys given the fact he’s from a conservative household in Texas. He has a strict definition of what a cowboy is in his head and he gets offended at distortions of that paradigm. 

For him, it probably has less to do with the gay aspect of it than the discrepancy between his perspective of a cowboy and the way Brokeback portrayed cowboys.

I don’t think Jensen is a bad person. When he voiced his discomfort over the 200th episode, he admitted to being wrong about his perception of fanfic, and he apologized. I think it takes someone he holds in high regard to change his perception of things, but I do think he’s a logical person who can admit when he possessed flawed thinking about something.

cliffnotesofanerd:

I’m seeing a lot of posts start to cross my dash about Jensen’s fourth-wall-breaking Look at the fans after the “Destiel subtext” bit. How many are interpreting it as disapproving. How many are interpreting that disapproval as homophobia, or explicitly telling us he doesn’t like Destiel, or all of the above.

First off, let me just point out that Jensen is a grumpy old man who does not understand fandom. He knows he has fans, and he’s grateful for the support he gets from them, and he appreciates us, but fandom itself is this impenetrable mystery to him. He doesn’t speak our language, he probably doesn’t even know how to anonymously join us in our spaces like Misha and Osric do — fandom is just something he’s heard about, and “shipping” is one of those things that fandoms do. And his idea of shipping, because no one can probably change his mind once he’s made it up, is about sex. (The line from the show — “can’t spell subtext without sex” — doesn’t help matters.)

I’ll come back to that in a moment, because now I need to touch on another thing: Jensen is ridiculously devoted to and protective of his character. And I get it, and honestly, it’s probably what makes Jensen so good at what he does: he has had a consistently written character to be for ten years now, and if something is not in the script, that simply does not exist. It’s impossible. What’s more, the character is being written FOR HIM — no one else has ever or will ever play Dean Winchester (bit parts with younger or older versions of Dean notwithstanding, and I imagine such occasions actually made him uncomfortable). So he gets very defensive when someone else tries to make Dean into something that Jensen is convinced he’s not.

I can understand where he’s coming from. Many writers (Robin Hobb and George R R Martin, to name a few from the top of my head) send legal teams after anyone trying to write fan fiction in their worlds because they are protective of them. It probably bothers Jensen to no end that there are people who have a different idea of Dean than what he has.

Coming back to the sex in shipping argument, we could even call Jensen a teensy bit hypocritical here — after all, Dean has had lots of meaningless sex, and a fair amount of meaningful sex, too. Except that in Jensen’s mind, it all happened. It was scripted and it became real to Dean. Thus far, Dean has NOT been banging Castiel, with or without meaning, and that everyone thinks it has or is going to bothers him like a weird tag in his underwear. People are seeing Dean wrong

I don’t think it’s a homophobic response. I think we’d get the same exasperation if the ship were Dean/Meg or Dean/Abaddon. We’d possibly get the same response if we shipped him seriously with the girl from the truck stop, because it isn’t true. He’s acting his ass off trying to sell us his Dean, what he sees as the real Dean, and he’s frustrated that we’re modifying Dean into something he’s “not.”

And I think Dean’s change of heart, his “I have my version, you have yours” epiphany, is just Dean’s. I don’t think Jensen feels it. I think he’s bewildered and even upset that we’re out here continuing to like a different Dean than what he’s trying to give to us. I can’t find the article, but there was an interview about the 200th episode where he said he knows fan fiction exists and he hopes that if he ignores it, it’ll go away. That for the first time in his career, he went to the production office and told them that he didn’t want to do this episode. I don’t think that was out of homophobia, I think it was a defensive move because he didn’t want to acknowledge that there are a thousand different Dean Winchesters and some of them are more real to us than his.

He doesn’t understand that fan fiction is more than just sex because he doesn’t want to. And you know what? That’s okay. My husband thinks I’m wasting my time writing “gay fanfiction.” I have a friend who lovingly mocks me for it (though he has stopped since I told him how upsetting his mockery was, no matter how loving). Hell, I’m going to be on a panel in April specifically titled “Why Fanfiction?” and there’s a good chance I’ll be defending us all to George R R Martin, who is a guest of honor at that con.

Not everyone gets fan fiction, and they won’t understand no matter how we try. Jensen’s one of those, and has the compound difficulty of curling protectively around his character and hissing at us. I think it’s a little arrogant and selfish, and it even hurts a little bit to know how little he values our modes of voicing our passion for the show. But I don’t think it’s coming from a place of homophobia, and I think he’s against the idea of shipping in general, not just Wincest or Destiel.

I know I’ve projected a lot in this entry, and presumed a lot of emotions that I only think Jensen’s feeling. But seeing as how he refuses to talk about it in any public space, he kind of leaves his reactions open to interpretation by the fans — and this interpretation is a lot kinder than the other ones out there.

cocklesistoblame:

sensitivehandsomeactionman:

Cass: Norma, I want you to meet Eddie G. He’s my twin, like you.

where have i seen this before, um…

um, Jen? ..bisexual much? ;)

cocklesistoblame:

supernaturalwanderlust:

let’s all focus for a second on the fact that jared licked cake off misha’s face

also, let’s all think about why jensen would probably never do that in front of all those people and a camera

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well, it’s got to do with Jensen’s ability to control himself when it comes to Misha……..or lack of it, well

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Let’s just say it would not stop at licking Misha’s face, okay

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while for Jared it’s a hilarious dude bro prank, it would have a whole lot different kind of effect on Jensen, and we wouldn’t want that on camera, now, would we, Jen? 

Anonymous asked:
could you please elaborate on how you think that jensen acts differently with misha versus jared? i've noticed that j2 act pretty douche-y sometimes when they're together. thanks for answering.

he-is-lightning-in-a-bottle:

Well, to start with, the Jensen that’s with Misha is a little more… open? He lets Misha cross boundaries that he doesn’t let Jared cross.

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With Jared, the vibe is very dudebro, and Jensen does a lot of over compensating. He’s got his most masculine, heteronormative foot forward.

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With Misha, the vibe is far more relaxed. He’s more willing to do things that might make the audience question his sexuality. For example, Jensen is willing to dance TOGETHER vs. just on the same stage, more willing to dance suggestively than just like a goofball.

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Plus the kind of humor Jensen has with Jared is sometimes (only sometimes!) kinda douchey — generally by making fun of people and insulting their masculinity by calling them “girl” (if they identify as male), etc.

But when he’s with Misha, his humor is full of sexual innuendos (particularly on set, remember 9x06) and he seems okay insulting HIMSELF. He’s willing to laugh at himself around Misha, and I just don’t see that when he’s around Jared.

And finally, when Jensen is with Jared, their joint body language is towards the audience. They’re a team, a brotherhood, facing the audience down.

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But with Misha, their body language is towards each other. They’re in their own little world, and Jensen can forget about the audience and just have fun.

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ETA: I didn’t answer this as a Cockles vs J2 (romantic ship) post in body language because I already have a bunch of those.

I was assuming you were referring to a recent post of mine where I said I like the side of Jensen that we see when he’s around Misha better than the side we see when he’s around Jared.

wayawkward-son:

stop it

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gleefinn asked:
Your Jensen photo op is simply amazing and beautiful! I'm actually going to my first convention in January and I got a photo op with Jensen. But my I just want to know...how was it? Like how was he and the whole experience with him, ya know?

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Ummm, I’ll just explain the whole thing because everyone keeps asking and I’m too lazy to write it out a bunch of times. So here it is.

Okay, when I first walked up to him I knew I didn’t have a lot of time. I handed him the bracelet that I made him and he smiled and said thank you and he put it on. And then I held out on two tiaras, told him to pick which one he wanted. He first said “I don’t know, you pick” and I responded with “Nope, you need to pick the tiara you want to wear”. It took him, I shit you not, about 15 seconds to choose which tiara he wanted and he looked so stressed out like it was the most important decision he would ever make it his life. It was so cute.

And then he asked what pose that I wanted to do and I asked if we could lay on the floor and do the thing were we put our chin on our hands and do the really sweet smile, but the camera man said we couldn’t lay on the floor so Jensen suggested that we just get on one knee and do it. So we took the picture and he handed me the tiara back and he hugged me and thanked me and then I left.

He was super sweet and you could see his freckles so much better in person. The whole photo op last for like 30-45 seconds but it was the best moments of my life.

There we go. Rant over. 

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seeyouin25years-deactivated2015:

But why? Why is it my job to save these people? Why do I have to be some kind of hero? What about us, huh? What, Mom’s not supposed to live her life, Sammy’s not supposed to get married? Why do we have to sacrifice everything, Dad?

he-is-lightning-in-a-bottle:

Ugh. I am so torn about this.

On the one hand, I think that’s definitely true. Jensen pings as a closeted bi and a submissive to me, and part of what plays into that is some of the overcompensating he’s done at cons.

On the other hand, I don’t think the extreme portrayal we saw in the mockumentary is anywhere close to the truth, or Jensen wouldn’t have agreed to make fun of himself that way.

So perhaps Misha’s brilliance is found in that he wrote Jensen as overcompensating FOR THE WRONG THING.

Maybe IRL Jensen over compensates for his closeted sexuality, but in the mockumentary he’s overcompensating for being “portlandic” or “Pacific northwesty” (loving vegetarian food, coconut water, yoga, Thai Chi, meditation, detox facials, and hippie music).

I think it’s safe to say that IRL, Jensen doesn’t love any of those things, otherwise the Dean character bleed that he so famously struggles with wouldn’t be an issue.

Cockles and ‘erotic scenes’

shaunamyrise:

So remember at jibcon 2014 when jensen and misha kissed ( who could forget right??).

Well just before they enacted that infamous scene from Hitch, Misha says:

“I’m always trying to get Jensen to do, sort of, erotic scenes with me while we’re shooting and he never does. This is the only place it ever works out.”    Link: X  [Fast forward to 4.00 minutes along.]

Okay so (apart from the obvious cockles fantasies that brings forth), this makes me think, along with the fact that Danneel acted in Misha’s TSA America, how much do you want to bet that the role of the repressed Texan who falls in love with Misha was offered to Jensen first?

And the reason Jensen refused it? Maybe because it was a little too close to home.

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